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CBD | Le Poste | 640 Bourke Street | ~215m | 68L | Residential

Nicholas Harrison's picture
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640 Bourke Street was sold to by Australia Post in 2013, a year after a 42 level, 125m high development was approved on the site.

Not happy with the approved development developers Besgate have doubled the height and increased the number of apartments to 989!

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Alastair Taylor's picture

Yowser.

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Ryan Seychell's picture

wow

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Peter Maltezos's picture

Looks like a building you would see in New York, love it! yessmileyyesheart

This is how the streetscape looks now and it looks like the facade of the existing red brick building would be kept as well.yes

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Adam Ford's picture

Oh well, so long as the buiding's facade is left standing, no issue whatsoever with the fact that this is a C-graded heritage structure which presented excellent contiguous aspect to the laneway at the rear, all of which was previously proposed and approved to be demolished, and looks like an identical outcome here.

This looks like it is massed ALL THE WAY up to the edge of the facade, in contrast to its would-be neighbouring Central Equity monstrosities which have the saving grace of being quite well set-back.

Furthermore, what's the excuse for presenting all 80 storeys right up to Bourke street, surely the precedent would be you have the greater height at the rear f the property.

But hey, the renders have everybody going wow, so why worry about a C graded heritage structure from the turn of last century, eh? Fair trade?

Sorry, but this needs rejecting. Everyone thought the last scheme was an ambit overdevelopment, but now it's double the size with lots of glass so whoooshhheeeee!!!!

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3000's picture

This doesn't need to be built. What's there could be improved with a scrub up or maybe some kind of tasteful extension.

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Chris Seals's picture

you're sounding more like a inexhaustible relic with every breath Adam, to judge and presume without clear confines, is Sabre rattling, lets wait and see what will be, if public area is diminished then its time for protest, but until then???????????? Wait and see. The world is about to jump into AI and the singularity is coming close too fruition, so what is our future and what is our past ? I will let you ponder, how do we approach this dilemma ?????

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Peter Maltezos's picture

So much better than what was originally proposed for this site.

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Bilby's picture

If the singularity is coming, Chris, we won't need buildings at all anymore - just virtual spaces. All the more reason not to demolish historic relics of the 19th and 20th century, since anything built in the next few years will be a pointless last ditch 21st century tribute to our last hurrah of material embodiment as a species, if you are correct. Just saying.

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Chris Seals's picture

Probably closer than most realize Bibly, you're right bilby, a 100% right, but I was just commenting on the unknown quantity to which land maybe lost to this development, but then again better safe than sorry. When the singularity comes and we are enhanced with techno gizmos, it maybe the so called relics that allow us to recognize what humanity we have left.

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Bilby's picture

Well, I'm glad you agree, Chris.

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Qantas743's picture

270m when a building right across the street was given permission to go no higher than 226m because of overshadowing something which is already overshadowed by something else?

I'll believe it when I see it.

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Rohan Storey's picture

Whats the blue bits with arrows supposed to mean ? Seem to just show 'these bits are curved'. And surely it cant possibly be as shiny as renders imply, or it would exceed reflectivity codes. And dont like the idea of the facade being absolutely just a facade, with open space behind no matter how groovy the space looks (and really just looks like a bit of a squishy space - is it an entrance to a shopping centre or what?), a historic building is a building, not just a wall !

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Mark Baljak's picture

either curvilinear form or wind flow assessment at a guess

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Riddlz's picture

App submitted

Use of the Land for a Child care Centre, Buildings and Works and Demolition of Building in the Capital City Zone partial Demolition of a Heritage Building and buildings and works under the Heritage Overlay and for Buildings and Works under the design and Development Overlays

http://dsewebapps.dse.vic.gov.au/DSE/Planning/PHBPPAT.nsf/InternetAppLis...

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Adrian's picture

270m when a building right across the street was given permission to go no higher than 226m because of overshadowing something which is already overshadowed by something else?

Grrr get your facts correct Qantas before you start your usual pessimistic diatribe ..

You know full well the 226m approval for Savoy was *NOT* because of overshadowing but to fit under OLS to satisfy Wynne's anti-height pandering.

Savoy can go up to ~250m without overshadowing Wynne's precious yet already 90% overshadowed Batman Park - given this is a block or so further North it makes sense the proposed 260m would also fit in without overshadowing ..

Head + Brickwall ...

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Qantas743's picture

My comment was written before we knew Savoy was going to end up being 250m.

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Adrian's picture

My comment was written before we knew Savoy was going to end up being 250m.

Ok fair enough I didn't look at the date (tho we knew all along 250m would fit in with overshadowing) ..

And how the hell did I miss this proposal !? Looks absolutely mint that foyer WOW ..

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Riddlz's picture

Besgate plans 273-metre tower for heritage-listed Eliza Tinsley building site


A little-known Shanghai-backed development group wants to break through Melbourne's restrictive air safety height barrier with an 85-storey tower in Bourke Street.
The syndicate of Shanghai developers which own Sydney-based Besgate​ group has submitted "indicative" plans to build a super-tall 273-metre tower on a site occupied by the heritage-listed Eliza Tinsley building between Spencer and King streets.
At 85 storeys, the tower would be slightly shorter than its curvaceous 90-storey neighbour approved to be built by Singaporean developer Fragrance Group on the former Savoy Hotel site on Bourke Street opposite Southern Cross Station.
Any building above 228.5 metres in central Melbourne penetrates the city's obstacle limitation surface (OLS) – a height barrier protecting aeroplane flight paths – and must get approval from aviation authorities before being built.
Recognising the potential difficulties around height, Besgate has sought planning approval first for an alternative, shorter, tower that rises 66 storeys.
The group purchased the 2764-square-metre Bourke Street block from Australia Post in 2013 for $22 million with a permit for a 43-level tower and 560 apartments.
The re-submitted proposal improves on the existing permit by increasing the average size of apartments, height of ceilings and eliminating borrowed light in units, KM Develop executive director Steve Wong said.
KM Develop, a subsidiary of corporate consultants KordaMentha​, is managing Besgate's Melbourne projects.
Mr Wong said the 85-storey tower with 980 units on Bourke Street was an "indicative proposal" waiting for approval from aviation authorities.
"We're not asking them [Department of Planning] to approve that as part of this application," he said.
The plans for the 66-storey tower show 818 apartments, a 90-space childcare centre and publicly-accessible open-air style grand foyer.
The facade of the heritage-listed Eliza Tinsley building on Bourke Street and part of Langs Lane will be retained but the remainder will be demolished under the proposal.
Besgate​ managing director Justin Gao said the company's first development foray in Melbourne was a 2007 joint venture with Brady Group at 380 Little Lonsdale Street.
"We're a consortium of investors from China. We consider ourselves as one of the pioneers of Chinese developers coming to Australia," he said.
Besgate has built the mixed use B1 Tower in Parramatta and is working on another called Atria in North Sydney. It also has numerous buildings in Shanghai.
In Melbourne, alongside 640 Bourke it now boasts two other large development sites.
One, at 140 King Street, has permits for a Rothe Lowman designed 57-storey building with 271 units. Another, without permits, covers the former City Peugeot dealership at 558-566 Swanston Street which Besgate snapped up for $13 million three years ago.
"We're still working on Swanston Street but we expect to put it through the pipe in the next two or three months," Mr Gao said.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/besgate-plans-273metre-tower-for-heritagelisted-eliza-tinsley-building-site-20150721-gigyg6.html

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Mark Baljak's picture

great design

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Qantas743's picture

Wouldn't 273m overshadow the Yarra?

Savoy is directly across the road at 250m and scrapes just under.

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Nicholas Harrison's picture

This tower is 80m further from the Yarra so they should be able to go to 273m no problem.

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Riddlz's picture

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Mark Baljak's picture

latest version via ROTHELOWMAN

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Riddlz's picture

Potentially one of the best looking towers in Melbourne.

I hope they get approval to go the full 273m height, it deserves to stand out.

Thanks for posting Mark

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